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Happiness Blog?!?

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The bloggers had discussed doing a blog on happiness.  I don't know if I'm kicking off the week with it, or if this isn't exactly what we had in mind, but yesterday's tragedy involving Robin Williams certainly seemed to relate to the topic.


It has obviously been all over TV and Facebook.  People lamenting the loss, telling stories, speaking about their favorite Robin Williams movies. I loved Robin Williams as a man, an actor and mostly as a comedian.


This is a very difficult topic. Especially for those who have lost loved ones. Suicide is not a disease, it is an action. Depression is a condition. Bipolar may or may not be a disease or a condition. Does everyone that is diagnosed with it have it, probably not. There is nothing in what I'm saying that lacks compassion. There are people who are close to this topic who are emotional about it and angrily attack people who feel differently about it than they do.  I just feel that if we write off suicide as something that is beyond our control, as a legitimate means of pain management, or simply a condition of a disease, like cancer, I fear there would be more people who don’t think they can fight through it wity the right help.

 

Whenever I hear a horror story of a teen who commits suicide, and you see the monumental parade of tears, heartfelt thoughts and of course all of a sudden friendship with every single person in their school. I can't help but wonder if creating such a stardom at a time where so many of their peers are struggling through the emotional gauntlet that is adolescence makes it easier for a few kids to choose to end it all rather than to fight through it with the right help.


People often speak about depression as an illness, as a chemical imbalance.  I'm sure there is evidence for that, but does that mean when someone is depressed, that it is always a chemically diagnosed condition?  Does that mean that if we are properly chemically balanced, that our condition should be happiness, regardless of our environment? I think that is probably not the case.  I don't believe that the only difference between myself and Robin Williams is the grace of God.  I am not judging or being critical of Robin Williams or anybody else that is depressed or has committed suicide.  In fact, my guess is that whatever it was that forged Robin Williams incredible sense of humor as his suit of armor, his defense mechanism, probably started just as early in life as did that sense of humor.  Whatever it was that led to his ultimately giving in, that induced that humor, probably chased him his entire life.

 

Treating depression simply as a clinical exercise succeeds in relieving us all from the pressure of what starts that chase.  It allows us as a society to skip pver the environmental factors that create that condition.  I'm sure it was easy to diagnose all sorts of conditions and illnesses in Richard Pryor as he battled his depression and suicide attempt.  You don't need many tests however to understand how things can go wrong when a child is raised in a whore house.  This is ABSOLUTELY not a holier than thou judgment upon others.  It is, however, a suggestion to not naively ignore how life's ripple effects can metastasize.


I am uncomfortable with the idea of completely divorcing people who commit suicide from the pain they inflict on their loved ones. If you decide that the pain you are enduring is so severe that doing it is more important than the pain you will be inflicting on your loved ones, then let that be your decision. Perhaps Robin Williams finally decided that he battled his demons long enough and that he deemed his 60+ years on this earth and all of the people he loved and made laugh to be enough. Many people die in their 60’s with far less illustrious lives. Maybe he wrote a letter to his loved ones that will make them feel better about that. I honestly have no idea about his or anyone else’s lives. I just can’t feel that it is good, right or healthy to remove the impact of your decision on those who love you from the discussion. That is not an idea that lacks compassion or judges anybody.


Many people suffer from depression. Many people do work their way through it. Hang on for your family if for no other reason. There is no condemnation for those who cannot go on, but refusing to give up despite the pain, hopelessness, failure, or whatever your burden may be, is truly courageous and heroic.  Fighting too is an action and should be lauded at least as loudly as we mourn those who are not able to continue. People who are out there fighting now should know and hear that.


As so many have said, if you know of someone that you are worried about, you should do your best to reach out to them to try and get them help.  Sometimes it may be chemical, sometimes it may be something else.

Comments

Submitted by VikramRajan on Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:35

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Vik Rajan

The word "depression" is a catchall for a spectrum that includes "slang for deep sadness" all the way to schizophrenia & bipolar (manic depressive). Since our brain operates by a balance of chemicals (hormones, etc.), everything feeling, emotion & state of mind is a chemical (im)balance. The medications we have for the severe helps such inflicted cope; I know from family experience.

Suicide by definition is selfish. But it's a choice, like addiction. Compassion & support is necessary. I feel bad for the living family, as they still must live the pain of loss. But I've got too much going on to lament for someone I didn't know personally. In high school, I was distraught when Cobain died; I didn't have much else going on in life.

Happiness is a mood, and can be fleeting. It is different from contentment, which can feel boring & by definition unambitious. Rather, paraphrasing from a Tim Ferriss, I prefer hearing about what someone is excited about. Without excitement & passion for goals (vision), we suffer (to paraphrase a biblical proverb).

However, it's a shame when a brain cannot enjoy such a state. And simply bounces from excitement (mania) to emptiness (depression). Neither is rational, but the medically induced balance isn't contentment either. In such cases, why not flip the switch? We ought to feel compassion, and allow those suffering to go dark.
Ester Horowitz

As an individual who lived in the shoes of Robin William's wife some thirty years ago, 6 months pregnant with a 2 1/2 year old child, this whole thing simply makes me angry. While Robin Williams was a comic genius worth the praise for his body of work and talent, the rest simply pisses me off. Regardless of why or how he came to his depressed state, regardless of the fact that if someone is bent on killing themselves no amount of what ever we do will stop the effort to try, there were and are suicide watch programs, treatments, and responses that apparently were not present. It was preventable despite what anyone says, sugar coats it, or simply doesn't acknowledge it. While I hope to never know what a major depressive disorder really feels like, I'm having a hard time accepting that he wasn't on a suicide watch or should have been. There are clear symptoms of depression and there is a clear body of evidence to state that suicide occurs when the person is actually beginning to feel better not while they are on their way down. There are experts out there. True enough that when a person is debilitated by depression that they can't be held responsible or accountable for their actions. All the more reason why there should have been others surrounding him and keeping watch. Where were they and why weren't they there? What failed is more the question of what we should be exploring so that the death of Robin Williams serves some better purpose beyond being the punctuation mark on the end of this life. To me it was a waste of genius that had a lot more left to contribute to this world and to himself. It simply makes me angry.

Submitted by Lawrence_Sprung on Wed, 08/13/2014 - 00:30

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Lawrence Sprung

Erik-As someone who has a lot of respect and appreciation for you and what you do I must say that your blog today is off base on many levels. I usually do not read and/or comment on these blogs but today is a must for me. The mere fact that you are referring to a person's suicide as "committed" suicide is not even appropriate. Robin Williams along with so many others have "died" by suicide.

As someone who has seen a real life situation of a loved one battling a tremendous struggle with BiPolar Disorder, I assure you that many of these folks are not making a conscious decision to end their own life. Ultimately, it is the result of a deadly disease taking over their mind and body leading them to do something that will ultimately take away their pain.

I could go on for hours and thousands of words about this and welcome the opportunity to speak with anyone that needs/wants to learn more or become better educated in this space.

In the meantime, I would suggest you visit http://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/frequently-asked-questions if you would like to better educate yourself on your own.

This blog along with some of the comments is the exact reason I do what I do (and will continue to) in the name of suicide prevention.
Cayce Crown

None of us have any idea of what he was going through.
The amount if cocaine he is purported to have ingested is enough to have fried his neural pathways to the point that they are not recoverable.
Talk is cheap. Just be kind to those you encounter.

Submitted by Erik_Scheibe on Wed, 08/13/2014 - 02:37

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Erik Scheibe

I also respect both you and your opinion Larry and I know that this is a subject that is very close to you and your family. I certainly didn't expect this to be a one-sided conversation ( I never do) and have indeed invested time over the last couple of days reading up on the voluminous information (web sites. articles, etc.) posted across the internet.

With all due respect, there are people who feel very strongly as you do, and there are also people who feel differently. There is no definitive science or opinion that can encapsulate all of the causes, feelings, conditions and overall tragedy that surround all suicides. I mentioned in my blog how angrily people respond when different feelings or ideas from their own experiences are introduced. However strongly someone feels, there is no benefit to shouting down or attacking other people's opinions (that is not directed at you, but at much of the acrimonious banter I've read on the internet) and burying discussion on the topic. That only serves to diminish awareness, not increase.

The blog is not off base, it is a viewpoint that differs from yours and many others in some regards. The terminology is not off base either. Some people may not like it and may want to change it, but that doesn't make it inappropriate. It is absolutely not presented without thought, research, caring or compassion. It is just a different viewpoint. It is also an opinion that is shared by many who have also unfortunately shared experiences involving depression and suicide.

Part of the point of my blog is to question why it happens, and to help to engage in discussion and even debate. Too often in the past few days I have seen people viciously shouting down others' ideas with name-calling and vicious attacks. I have seen Robin Williams daughter respond to people who are "saying bad things" about her father, which is sad. I don't know if she has seen disparaging remarks herself of if she has heard about them from people defending certain opinions, but it is sad that she should feel that way now when there is so much love and compassion being directed towards what seems to have been such a great man. The truth is, we can read all the books we want, do all the studies we want, come up with all of the medical diagnoses we want. None of it gives you or I any more insight into why this happened without knowing more about his life and how and why he got there.

I'm sure what happened to your family is exactly how you describe it, but that does not mean that all suicides can be lumped into one box, with one diagnosis and one medical explanation. I wish it were that simple. I'm certain that there are many circumstances where the person does not have control over their body or their faculties, but there are certainly other circumstances where they do.

Again, I mean no ill will towards you, your family or anyone else who feels as you do, but these topics are too important to not allow honest discussion
Rona Gura

Here's my two cents; I do believe that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and the actions of the person suffering with depression are a direct result of the chemical imbalance. From family experience I will tell you that certain psychotropic drugs can work for a period of time and then stop working, generally when the body changes in some way, i.e. puberty, major surgery. It's a lifelong process of forever adjusting the prescription cocktail.

As a parent, I find the suicide of a parent especially troubling. When it comes to thoughts of the children, I don't think that the person is thinking that their own pain trumps their love for their children (if they're thinking at all). I would think that, somehow, the person committing the act rationalizes that the children would be better off without them.
Erik Scheibe

The concept of "self-medicating" seems to be a recurring thread in many of these conversations. It is an incredibly dangerous practice. There are many who believe that drug and alcohol problems are things that are beyond some people's control. I feel that this is an incredibly dangerous mindset as well.
Erik Scheibe

Thank you for your generosity in sharing your experiences. Keep in mind how good of an actor he was and for possibly how long he had practiced covering it up.
Erik Scheibe

Would it be fair to ask whether the depression is caused by the chemical imbalance or if it's possible the chemical imbalance could be caused by the depression. Stress can affect the human body in amazing ways, as can illicit substances which often go hand in hand with depression.
Corey Bearak

No question Depression has a medical or clinical definition. That said more people have access to information and I believe efforts to prevent suicide worthwhile. Time may reveal more information about the circumstance of Williams' passing, but I found his living arrangements "interesting." There is this Poco Song penned by Paul Cotton, "All Alone Together," and clearly it helps to have others involved in your life.

Submitted by Erik_Scheibe on Wed, 08/13/2014 - 15:13

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Erik Scheibe

I have to say, after going to the web site that you recommended and listening to the piece last night on CNN, I am really not sure where the conflicts were other than the terminology used to describe it the act. In fact they confirmed the concept of maintaining the effect of the action on family members. I appreciate the information, but I do not see the consistency between the official research and conclusions and the hostility in some of the exchanges on the internet.

Submitted by Erik_Scheibe on Wed, 08/13/2014 - 15:34

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Erik Scheibe

http://www.blogher.com/what-suicide-isn-t-rip-robin-williams?page=full

If you care about this issue at all, and I assure you I care more about it than I did last week...you should read through this. Not just the article, it is ok, but the comments will provide enlightenment. It will give you a significantly greater perspective on the diversity and the feelings of people that are suffering.

Submitted by Erik_Scheibe on Wed, 08/13/2014 - 15:38

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Erik Scheibe

Here is one in particular, which was a response from the author to another person who was suffering from mental illness.

@LeslieAvery I hope in my comment I didn't give the impression of trying to diminish mental illness as being important. It is DEADLY important. It's just my opinion and experience with being at the brink a good deal of my life that it hasn't helped to call all types of depression a disease or disorder. It separates us and makes people afraid to be around us when we are already struggling to not feel alone. It has been my experience that what people call "normal" is equally, if not more twisted and hurtful than much of what is labeled weird, wrong, or disordered. It shouldn't be wrong to care, but it seems it is by a sad majority of human beings. I'm so sorry for your struggles, because I can probably relate, since I suffered abuse as a child and had it rubbed in as a young adult by others. It has taken a great deal to work around that hurt and try and find ways to reach out productively, d... just to KEEP BREATHING some days, and it hurts to be categorized and shelved because no one really knows how to solve the heart of the problem if they can't toss a pill at you and immediately fix you. Maybe not all of it is something that needs to be fixed. Not suicide itself, but depression needs to be better understood and accepted, because I tell you, those moments when someone just GETS it and still cares about me are enough. They need not feel I'ma burden. I don't want to be. Just to be understood and loved. This is what Robin says to me in my mind. Suicide shouldn't be, but what makes that terrible pain shouldn't be either.
Fred Klein

The purpose of our blogs is to encourage discourse and this surely did. Happiness Week starts on Sunday.
Rona Gura

Just something to add. In light of the revelation that Robin Williams was diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease, I understand his actions a little bit better. I watched the acute depression Parkinson's caused my mother to suffer with, even though she never suffered from depression previously. I also watched as it slowly destroyed her mind and her dignity. There are many forms of Parkinson's Disease. If Robin Williams was diagnosed with one of the forms that resembled that of my Mom, given his previous depression issues and the brilliance of him, I cannot imagine how deep his despair must have been.

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