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On the heels of Donald Sterling and all of the the racial fallout of his concepts and sentiments, I'd like to introduce a concept.


I would introduce that there is a greater sentiment of hatred between liberal and conservative factions in the US than there is over racial divides.


Recently, Condaleeza Rice was tapped to speak at the Rutgers graduation ceremony.  Now we're talking about a brilliant, African-American woman who has served her country admirably.  Now because of political issues, there are many who are protesting her right to speak.

 

There are those on both the left and right who subscribe to the theory that regardless of anything else, a person's ideology is more important than anything else.

 

Thoughts?...

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Submitted by VikramRajan on Tue, 05/06/2014 - 20:25

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Vik Rajan

One chooses his or her own political ideology. One does not choose race or sexual orientation. While intolerance is intolerable & hate is emotional violence, vehemence towards someone's choices is much more sensible. Both extremes wake up the middle & provokes thought. By definition, there would be no middle if it weren't for the extremes. So I'm glad we have revolutionaries on both sides.
Fred Klein

I was surprised that she was compelled to withdraw.

Submitted by glenfriedman on Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:15

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Glen Friedman

If you can't have an open and honest debate on college campuses, what hope is there that these types of conversations can happen later in life? Is it any wonder that hyper-partisanship aided by the speed of the internet and social media has brought us to this point? The scary part is where do we go from here.

Submitted by JimWeiss on Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:29

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Jim Weiss

People have the right to stage protests, even fringe characters, especially when they can make a case that she played a key role in the commission of crimes against humanity. Still, if they had tried to bring it into the hall, they would have been removed, so it's odd that she backed out. Now, on the issue of racial-vs-partisan divisions, perhaps we need to put aside terms like "racial" and "partisan" in favor of "tribal". Whether it's in this or some other country, we see tribalism taking its toll on nearly every one of them, whether it weakens a democracy, strengthens a dictatorship, or instills terror. It's not "left vs right", "black vs white", or even "rich vs poor", it's "us vs them".
Erik Scheibe

I believe she gave up a $35,000 speaking fee as well. She is a tough woman, I imagine she didn't want the controversy to distract from the purpose of the ceremonies.

Submitted by Erik_Scheibe on Wed, 05/07/2014 - 00:53

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Erik Scheibe

If your point were working towards winning arguments, I would agree. My point is not about engaging in debate, or advocacy, but rather about hatred. Hatred of people who think and believe differently than you. I don't believe that you just simply "choose" an ideology (unless you are Arianna Huffington). A choice I do make is to vehemently not hate people for being liberal. While I refute what they believe in, I respect their opinon nonetheless, even when my emotions implore me to feel differently. Condaleeza Rice is a great woman of impeccable character and renowned intelligence. A woman who is/should be a role model to many. To protest her merely speaking at a college graduation ceremony is a political act of irrational hatred. There are many liberals that I disagree with who are great men and women. Our president is one of them.

Submitted by Erik_Scheibe on Wed, 05/07/2014 - 01:02

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Erik Scheibe

Again, this was not about political debate or an issue, Similar to dealing with racism, I think the only way to honestly combat this type of behavior is to reject the haters. The university lost the opportunity to hear from a great person and a great American mind because of political garbage.

Submitted by BrianPenry on Wed, 05/07/2014 - 01:16

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Brian Penry

I agree wholeheartedly that a sentiment of hatred exists between our polarized political camps, Eric. I'm just not sure if it's any greater than the level of racial tension in our country - both being regrettable.

What's particularly sad is college students being so intractable in their thinking that they're unwilling to even listen to someone so accomplished. Doubly ironic is the mission of commencement speakers: to inspire open-mindedness, critical thinking (and actions based thereupon) among college graduates at a most formidable juncture - the outset of their careers and adult lives. If college students aren't willing to listen to voices of experiences that may be different from the voices of inexperience in their own heads, no wonder they go on to hold political offices and dug-in positions of intransigence.

These cycles of hatred and mistrust must end somehow.

Submitted by Erik_Scheibe on Wed, 05/07/2014 - 01:20

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Erik Scheibe

Interesting point on tribalism. My question is not about the "right to protest", but about whether they are "right in protesting". Just because you are allowed to do something doesn't mean you should.

I supported the war and still do. When the stragglers who were against the war protested before we went in, I respected their opinions because I believed that they were acting on ideology. There was no war they would have ever supported (I blogged previously about attending a Joan Baez concert with my wife during the war, my comment to her was "IF Joan Baez isn't going to be against war, then who is?").

I find the whole "crimes against humanity" argument pretty contrived and generated for political gain, a case that has quite a bit of evidential support as well. Nonetheless, I would not exercise my right to protest to prevent someone like Ramsey Clark from speaking somewhere because of his views about the war or anything else.
Rona Gura

I'm with Fred on this. I am shocked that she was compelled to withdraw. It seems counter-intuitive to everything this country stands for.
Donald Bernstein

I am not sure those students were protesting her "right" to speak. I think they just did not want her to speak - which is very different - and they were probably a minority, but a very vocal minority. And those students had the absolute right to voice their own opinions on the matter. As I understand it, she decided to withdraw because she did not want her appearance to be divisive on a day that is intended to be celebratory. No one pushed her out, and she could have elected to stand her ground; the university was behind her.
I think she would have been a very interesting speaker, and I give her a lot of credit for the decision she made. She did not want to become the issue. The day is not about her, and she recognized that.
If you want some real political hatred, read about Jefferson and Hamilton. Or the days when members of Congress used to beat each other with canes. Those were the good old days.
Erik Scheibe

It is certainly very different. I apologize for "mis-writing" that late last night (typing with each eye pointing in different directions can be a challenge.)

The point wasn't meant to be about anyone's rights, but rather the hatred we are generating in our philosophical differences. She is not even politically far right figure, yet these kids are somehow motivated to take such drastic actions. It's unfortunate.
Corey Bearak

She was being paid to speak. If the invite was not paid, my view would be different. Where money is involved, I view objections to a speaker in a different light.

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