Submitted by MitchTobol on

A really long shot for Hillary

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Here's something for you to ponder...according to the Constitution, chosen electors of the Electroal College are the real people who will vote for president, when they meet on Dec. 19th in their respective state capitals.

 

There is technically nothing stopping any of the electors from voting their conscience and refusing to support the candidate to whom they were bound, or from abstaining from voting altogether. There’s even a name for it: becoming a “faithless elector.”

 

Faithless electors are technically barred in only 29 states from ignoring the will of the voters, though the penalties are light. And a faithless elector has never swung an election. But given the high dissatisfaction with Trump among Republicans, a few faithless GOP electors could well go rogue next month.

 

Clinton would need more than 20 GOP electors to go "faithless" and vote instead for her — a mighty tall order.

 

States with Unbound Electors

 

The Founding Fathers created the electoral college because the were afraid of direct Democracy. In fact, Alexander Hamilton thought the electors would make sure “the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications.”

Comments

Rona Gura

As I didn't hide, I am a Hillary supporter. As such, quite a few friends have asked me to sign that petition. I haven't done so yet because I am unsure how I feel about it. Do we rip apart our entire system due to those of us who feel we got a bad result? And what happens the next time, when others think they got a bad result? I question whether we are going down a very slippery path.
Corey Bearak

I've supported the electoral college in the past but several recent commentaries I read indicate its sole basis was to perpetuate the influence of slate states whose voting age populations were insufficient without counting the slaves by constitution as 3/5 of a non-slave, and slaves fit not count in voting.
Cayce Crown

Yes, frankly I would love the electoral college to abandon Mr Trump and let the popular vote decide the election.

Submitted by Steven_Mancinelli on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 00:54

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Steven Mancinelli

The slave state question is actually the opposite of what disappointed Dems say. The purpose of the 3/5 status for slave states was to prevent the slave states from overwhelming electorally the non-slave states because Constitutional Convention reps from the South wanted to include ALL slaves in calculating their electoral populations.
Cayce Crown

Yes, frankly I would love the electoral college to abandon Mr Trump and let the popular vote decide the election.
Daniel Schwartz

As much as many of you want what amounts to a do over, I strongly believe we should let the system work. This is a very slippery slope and will likely lead to even more division in this country. How about we give him a chance. He already has made some changes to his platform and is not even in the White House yet.
Warren Goldberg

I realize I'm entering the lion's den; but I simply can't stand the whining and name-calling from the left that won't seem to end.
Eight years ago, a President was elected that almost half the country did not vote for. Yet there were no riots. In 2008, responsible Conservatives licked their wounds and said, "Like it or not, he will be the new President. Let's give him a chance to lead and hopefully to do good."
Instead, we endured eight years of:
* Thousands of new regulations that have essentially held back the economy and have been a headwind to all small and mid-sized business owners.
* These same regulations (such as Dodd-Frank and Obamacare) that have NOT protected consumers, but have HUGELY increased the costs of business while HARMING the very consumers they were supposed to protect. (Don't believe me? I'd be happy to have an off-line debate and point out all the unanticipated consequences that were so clear to most economists and business people.)
* A President who has NOT brought Hope and Change, but has been the most divisive President in my memory.

Last week the silent majority of Americans throughout the country (not just the coastal regions) rose up and at the ballot box said, "Enough Already! Enough with the special interest groups! Enough with the nanny-state coddling everyone as a victim, rather than promoting personal responsibility! Enough with granting entitlements to people who can work, should work, but are too busy playing the victim to get out of their own way."

Trump voters are NOT racists, biggots, sexists, or any of the other names we are being called. Let's all admit there are lunatics on the fringes of BOTH the left and right. (Don't believe me? Then who are the people rioting, shooting, and burning garbage cans in the streets?? Certainly not law-abiding Democrats with families to support. Even Oprah has received hate mail because she publically said the country should give Trump a chance to lead!) And yet, after days of riots and violence, where is Mr. Obama who should be calling for calm and unity?

The majority of Trump voters simply want liberty and justice FOR ALL. They want EVERYONE judged the same; by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, their ethnicity, their sex, preference, or lack thereof. For God sack, the United States elected a African American President. Yet we still need special laws protecting African Americans, Women, LGBTs, and practically every other group whose ever claimed to have been wronged?

Despite the fact that Donald Trump has too many times opened his mouth before putting his brain in gear, I believe he COULD be a great President, someone who brings common sense back to Washington and returns the American Spirit and American Dream back to Americans who wish to better themselves and create a legacy bigger than themselves.

It is the responsibility of EVERY American to give him that chance. And in four years, if you don't believe he's delivered, you all have the right to PEACEFULLY voice your opinions at the ballot box.
Paul Napolitano

Warren, that was outstanding. Please join the Gotham Politics discussion board. Your input would be very welcome.

Submitted by VincentPetraro on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 05:29

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Vincent Petraro

Let's respect the results of the election!
Victoria Drogin

The Electoral College was created to protect the little guy. For example, large very rich states would steamroll the newer, less populated agricultural states. The way the founders described it was: let's say we have two wolves and a sheep and they get together to vote on what's for dinner. Fact is the wolves shall dine finely, but at the expense of the sheep.

Submitted by Steven_Mancinelli on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 06:52

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Steven Mancinelli

Victoria, your comment reminded me of what Ben Franklin said about the difference between a democracy and a republic: a democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner; a republic is where that sheep is well armed.
Warren Goldberg

Paul: I didn't know one existed! I'd love to contribute. Tell me more!
Steven: LOL! I never heard that quote before! But id does remond me of one from Winston Churchill: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

Submitted by Steven_Lichtenstein on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 13:23

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Steven Lichtenstein

Way to go Warren Goldberg. It's time we all move on. 60 million people voted as jury and The Hillary and Bill Clinton money laundering machine is over. It is time to give Bernie Sanders the chance he deserves ! http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5829f25fe4b02b1f5257a6b7

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