[Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
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Fri Nov 9 16:34:30 EST 2012
And by the time Florida made up it's mind the whole thing would be over.
Janet Adler
In a message dated 11/9/2012 3:36:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
todd at sunshineconsultingltd.com writes:
That would require a constitutional amendment which requires 2/3 vote in
senate and house and must be ratified by 3/4 of the states which will never
happen.
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On Nov 8, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Scott Bloom wrote:
Can we first abolish the Electoral College?
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our greatgrandchildren...
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Subject: Re: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
Mike,
Thanks for this up-close, personal and disturbing account of Truth in
Voting. Isn't this travesty worthy of the Supreme Court? Once Obama puts
another judge or two on the court? It is a patent violation of a sacred American
citizen's right and voter manipulation that rivals gerrymandering in
another guise.
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From: Michael Steger <_msteger at steger-law.com_
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To: 'Alexander Suslensky' <_alex at suslaw.com_ (mailto:alex at suslaw.com) >;
"'Raj Goel, CISSP'" <_raj at brainlink.com_ (mailto:raj at brainlink.com) >;
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Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
I agree with Alex. I spent yesterday in Philadelphia trying to ensure
that all eligible voters could vote and that no one who was eligible (and
registered) was turned away, especially in light of the current state of the
somewhat-suspended new Pennsylvania voter ID law. What I observed, in a ward
that overwhelmingly voted for one party and where all of the election
officials and poll watchers were from that same party, was significant voter
confusion, a lack knowledge of what the current law required among the
election officials and poll workers, and substantial frustration among voters,
many of whom were forced to cast provisional ballots (which may or may not
be counted). A number of citizens only cast provisional ballots after I
informed them of their right to do so or asked election officials to provide
them with one, this even though the election officials are supposed to offer
provisional ballots under multiple circumstances – all of this where the
election officials were supplied by the party whom 90% of the voters were
supporting. I can only imagine how much voter disenfranchisement there will
be at the next Pennsylvania election, when the voter ID law is fully
enforced and there may be organized efforts to challenge voters.
I cannot fathom any legitimate reason why this country makes it harder to
vote than to buy a gun. We should focus on ways to bring more citizens
into the voting booth (vote by mail, weekend/early voting, etc.) rather than
keeping them out by forcing them to show ID, stand in line for hours on a
workday, having too few polling places/voting machines, etc.
Mike Steger
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From: Alexander Suslensky [_mailto:alex at suslaw.com_
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:49 AM
To: Raj Goel, CISSP; _fredslist at gothamnetworking.com_
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Subject: RE: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
Raj,
The last time I checked, we had a volunteer military. So, I don’t
understand your analogy. I have the privilege of knowing many young and
not-so-young men and women serving in our military and all of them volunteer to
risk their lives because they love our country.
We shouldn’t have to suffer to experience voting in a “communal”
atmosphere. If you want to experience the “communal” feelings of politics, go to
a campaign rally. The goal for elections should be to maximize voter
participation. Making voting more convenient, secure and efficient improves
democracy.
Alex
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From: Raj Goel, CISSP [_mailto:raj at brainlink.com_
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Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:37 PM
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Subject: RE: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
I disagree with voting from our arm chairs.
There's a communal aspect to voting, a social aspect and quite frankly, if
we ask or demand that YOUNG MEN & WOMEN FIGHT AND DIE OVERSEAS, than the
least we can do, is get off our rears and vote in public.
Besides, we've already seen what voting from our arm chairs brings.
It's called Reality TV, Survivor and internet flame wars.
-- Raj
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Alexander Suslensky <_alex at suslaw.com_ (mailto:alex at suslaw.com) > wrote:
At the risk of making some part of government actually efficient and
user-friendly, why can’t we just vote on the internet from the comfort of our
homes or offices? If I can press a button at my office and wire transfer
millions of dollars, why can’t I vote the same way? For those not fortunate
enough to own a computer, polling stations could still exist with computers
and – just guessing here – no lines!
Alexander Suslensky
Law Firm of Alexander Suslensky, P.C.
120 East 37th Street
New York, New York 10016
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Subject: Re: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
I had this conversation this morning when I was on line waiting to sign
the register.
The problem at my voting place in Port Washington was they had no power,
and their generators had to restart.
I was number 82 in my AD to vote but I was the first that the scanner
actually worked for.
I was having mental difficulties about whether I actually wanted to drop
it in a sealed box for them to scan later.
Further, my ballot had a number on it that corresponded to a number in the
book that I signed.
Someone could actually work out not only who I voted for, but who I am.
So much for secret ballots
I really prefer the old levers.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Susan Zinder <_sfzinder at aol.com_ (m
ailto:sfzinder at aol.com) > wrote:
Gotham – I voted – have you?????
So... This morning at 9:00 am I went and stood on one line to get inside
the polling place, another to get to the election district and a third to
scan in my ballot -- - Took a half hour and was more chaotic than I had ever
seen it (2 of the 4 ballot scanners for over 10 election districts were
broken)
I know I'm generally thought of as "liberal" but when it comes to the
subject of voting machines - - I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative, I'm
downright reactionary!!!
I MISS THE VOTING MACHINES!!!!!! You went in to the polling place, the
line at the election district was shorter - there were 2 machines dedicated
to the district -(not 4 scanners for 20 districts) - - Signed in at the
election district (noticed that my original signature was legible and 25 years
into legal practice my signature has just become illegible - -oiy I'm
getting old!)
Oh - - look – that dad just took his son into the booth with him.
Then.... You walked into the voting booth - and booth it was not a table
with metal on the sides to keep you from cheating on the exam, where there's
no room to bring your child once their out of the sling or baby bjorn.
Heavy plastic curtains (oiy - they needed to be cleaned, but that only meant
that they had seen a lot of voting over the years) You weren't filling in
an SAT, PSAT or LSAT form - but you went into a booth with the candidates
identified in front of you and next to levers, levers and more levers.
You took the big lever and pulled it to the right - - grrrrr - - it said
I"m now ready to accept your vote - - and you voted - - - you didn't fill in
blank ovals, you didn't press out chads - - you pressed the levers down -
- physical, click was the sound - then you looked - did I press the correct
levers? Did I do it right - - wait, let me read that proposal, wait - I
know I end up voting down a party line but that guy is on both party lines,
for him I'll be bipartisan (unpress one lever, press the other)
Then check again - - did I do it right? Hmmm.
Oh, remember when I went into the voting booth with mom? Fun mother -
daughter time.... OK, I'm taking too long here, want to leave time for my
neighbors....
Time to pull the lever at the bottom from the right to the left. Such a
big lever - so satisfying! And the sound - it tells me - YOU HAVE VOTED
CITIZEN ZINDER!!!! YEA FOR YOU!!!
Now… no sound, no acknowledgement, no receipt (at least when I scan my
check in at the atm, they give me a picture of it) - - not really sure I
should trust the guy who coded the scanner.
But… I still voted, and hope for the best for the country. So…. No more
YEAs for me - - It should only be yea for the country!!!
Susan
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